About WebFlow, WIX, Editor X (discussion)

Hi Sparkle community,

I would very much like to hear your opinion about WebFlow, WIX (and if possible “Editor X”)
Also like to know from those who moved away from them and started using Sparkle (but also the other way) and why.

Looking forward to your reactions :slight_smile:

I love using ReadyMag and find it very creative, but come back to Sparkle. Sparkle always seems much more useful to me.

Webflow is rapidly becoming standard for professional web designers for the flexibility and possibilities - bad thing about it is the forced Webflow-CMS only. Great tool for professionals who need that kind of power and flexibility. I would use it with clients if they have a nacional payment gateway in my country.

Wix have been around for a while. Great for not web designers, also good for professionals but not as flexible. That’s why they’ve released Editor X so they can compete with Webflow directly since there’s isn’t anyone else doing this kind of power+flexibility for web dev. It’s really good, but not there yet.

Sparkle isn’t pro-ready as of now, but it have a lot of potential to get there if it desires to, but i’d rank it in the same area as of Wix - its a “do it yourself tool” for non web professionals.

That’s my take on it :slight_smile:

And what draws the line between professional and non professional in your view?

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I used WiX for a few years, even when they launched the “X” upgrade. What frustrated me the most is that just like many other web-design apps is that you’re limited to the building blocks they supply and, can only work in the fashion WiX dictates. And, that since it’s on online-only web-based tool you’re stuck waiting for things to update in the background, based on their server response time.

And tech support from WiX?? Truly non-existent. Every time I called to get help it was, “let me put you on hold to ask my team…”. Meaning, the people that answer the phones have no clue how their own software works, they have to msg an expert and wait for a reply. Really???

Sparkle may or may not be a “pro” tool when compared to the old-school apps like Dreamweaver, but those tools are also extremely difficult to learn. Even Blocs, the closest competitor to Sparkle is also non-intuitive despite their claims of being simple and fast. And it’s NOT free flowing, you’re locked into how the “blocks” perform and you can’t “think outside the bloc” as it were. haha

Working with break-points is still a struggle for me and learning the proper way takes some practice, but others have mastered it and it works well. For whatever reason my swiss-cheese brain has difficulty processing the in’s and out’s, so my design/s just avoid it altogether.

What I like most about Sparkle is:

  1. It’s a “real” app that lives on my system. So there’s no waiting to see how things look or operate. Drag-n-drop and test it immediately in preview mode. Perfect.

  2. It’s a free-flowing design tool. You’re not locked into a specific mode of how things get put together. Want to throw a bunch of stuff together to see what happens? Sparkle will let you. It’s true there are some limitations to whats possible and, there’s always a few minor features that get suggested (and often applied to updates), but in all it’s the most logical, intuitive and easy-to-use web design tool I’ve come across thus far. It’s iWeb on steroids - times x10.

  3. Need help? Post a question and you’ll get responses quickly. Often times from Duncan himself. Try getting that kind of support from anywhere else!

  4. If you have expert-level web-code knowledge you can easily plug that into Sparkle, if you’re a code monkey, which I’m not. And is the main reason I chose Sparkle - I don’t want to be!! I have a job…

  5. Like the old Apple campaign from years ago, “It just works”.

Unless you endeavor to learn deeper software with tools that require being a code-monkey I think it unwise to choose anything other than Sparkle.

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I am a non-pro but when I was desperately searching for a downloadable non-coding web design software after iWeb had disappeared, I looked extensively at all of Sparkle’s competitors and was incredibly disheartened. Unfortunately I hadn’t stumbled across Sparkle until right at the end of my search when I’d all but given up hope. Within a few hours I had made a new site for my church in Singapore and I’ve never looked back.

I still look at competitors now out of a general curiosity. But I don’t believe there’ll be anything that even comes close to Sparkle and with its blogging capability now built in, I’d never consider any other software. One thing is for certain, I’d never get the kind of support that’s available here. For that alone, Sparkle is worth it’s weight in gold!

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As always in these Pro versus Consumer debates, whether software, cameras, Macs / PC
it’s what you create that matters, not the tools or how you do it.

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@Euan ,

Unfortunately i have to disagree with you, tools may matter a lot.

It doesn’t matter what you’re trying to create - a piece of furniture, a painting, a sculpture, etc, as long as you use the proper tool(s).

There’s an expression for that: "Use the right tools for the job"

I usually use the following expression:
"It’s all about having the right tools and understand how to use them in the right way"

On the other hand how advance the tool may be, it doesn’t necessarily mean the easier it will be to create a “masterpiece” - that’s a misconception a lot of ppl make!.

And btw,
this discussion (or exchange of experience) is NOT about Pro vs Consumer

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Alright, so I guess the question consumer/pro question isn’t good?

What are the ways in which other tools you all are familiar with are better than Sparkle in ways that are meaningful to you, and that hence let you build a better website?

This thread is interesting for me as I try to decide between Sparkle vs an online system (likely Webflow) to build out my site. I’m not a professional and things have changed a lot since I last built a site over 10 years ago.

Sounds ideal for my needs, but I’m interested to hear more from @primo as to why Webflow isn’t “pro-ready” in his opinion. What can’t it do? In what areas does it fall short?

Sparkle and webflow are extremely different. Superficially you might believe their marketing that webflow is visual. It might be more visual than hand coding HTML, but in absolute terms it is very definitely not.

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